I also want to add: as I reread the document your grandfather published; I believe him about the KCF deception–I don’t think I made that clear–but as a rule I cannot condemn every aspect of the “foundational” prophesy as false; I already believed in many similar aspects before I read Bob Jones/Mike Bickle’s interpretation. We are in the end times when Joel 2:28 will begin to come true; we need those kinds of reminders to keep us watching the skies for signs. Your grandfather’s attempt to “preserve truth” seems to negate it all! I discovered his document from a couple’s posting on YouTube who related their questions with IHOP and Kansas City to the supposed “lie” of prophetic praying–that was the source of my Rev. 22:18 comment–leading away from the idea that our prayers have the kind of prayer Jesus says they do in Matthew 18:18–only three verses away from the very words Mr. Gruen uses to defend his methods of contradicting KCF and Mike Bickle.

Blessings to you and your family,
Elise Feldt

I have the utmost respect for your chronicling of the deception and false prophesy that occurred in the Kansas City Fellowship, but that respect ends where your document “Documentation of the Aberrant Practices and Teachings of Kansas City Fellowship” begins to take on a note of smug arrogance in the area of the prophesy.
It was that attitude alone which made me start to question the validity of your standpoint.
You can preach up and down to me about how KCF did some pretty terrible things, and how Bob Jones is a fraud…but when I began to read the prophesy itself, even between your quips about it, I began to see how the prophesy was from God.
I read thoroughly into both sides. My decision is to give doctrine right back to you where you (and others) have used doctrine:
You carried on a bit about the percentage of accuracy quoted by the puffed-up Bob Jones as “75%”–using Deuteronomy 13 and 18 as examples. I would argue that KCF has interpreted those passages too lightly. There is no degree of “hit or miss”–Mike Bickle is held accountable to the Lord for letting Bob Jones carry on in his false prophesying, as we are all each held accountable for believing his prophesies–but are you going to lift the first stone against him to kill him? Take a note from Jesus here and work on your own soul first. Jesus will take care of the flock, brother.
I have just read a website basically bashing the idea of modern prophesy. They used Rev 22:18 as the basis for their standards and I just shook my head. Words are powerful, powerful enough to send people reeling on the waves, and yours Mr. Gruen are fairly powerful because you have invoked the righteousness and truth of God. But your words, too, will fade in time. Have you noticed how easy it is for people to twist words? I think you did some of that in your document, and you should be ashamed. I read between the lines that this is an issue where you feel you are fighting the Lord’s battle for Him. I exhort you to submit to Jesus of the cross who died will all these sins put on Him so that we could live free from their bondage.

I will not let another day go by where I worry about whether you’re right or Mike Bickle is right. Neither of you is Christ, and neither of you is claiming to be so; so I judge with the Holy Spirit whether your words are true, and I judge the spirits you submit to. You and I both are incapable of judging Mr. Bickle’s soul; Jesus alone must do that. But we must pray for life in him, and in those around him under his care (1 John 5:16-20) Have peace in that, Mr. Gruen. And continue to live in readiness for the return of Jesus, since that is what He asked. Not for us to bicker with one another, but to wait anxiously for Him, desiring Him as He desires to be with us.

Peace to you, and may the God of our salvation come soon!
Your sister in Christ,
Elise Feldt