It has been spread around Kansas City and on the Internet that I sent out a letter saying that I was deceived and that I had retracted the document “Documentation of the Aberrant Practices and Teachings of Kansas City Fellowship (Grace Fellowship).

[Actually, they have been known by many names in the KC area, switching elders and church names on a regular basis. For a while they were known as Metro Vineyard. Interestingly, John Wimber told me that he regretted getting involved with Mike Bickel, because he discovered that I was correct in the “Aberrant” document.]

I sent out no such letter; I issued no retraction; I did not issue an apology!

Statements asserting the above are total lies!

The “Aberrant” document was and is exactly the truth of what happened. It was accumulated from tapes purchased from Bickel’s own ministry. The report is genuine!

Who originated these new lies, I have no idea?

Who decided to spread these lies on the Internet and throughout KC, I do not know.

But it is Mike Bickel’s responsibility to see that these lies are repudiated by him and also publicly at I-Hop–since it purportedly is regularly stated to newcomers to I-Hop. Of course it is to Bickel’s advantage to keep THE LIE going to increase his numbers and growth of his ministry.

Be sure and read Footnote 2 entirely.

Pastor Ernie Gruen

erniegruen@yahoo.com

Footnote 1:

Why did Full Faith no longer send out the “Aberrant document”?

Originally when every thing came to ahead, there was a meeting with the elders of Full Faith with the elders of KC Fellowship. For the sake of unity in the Body of Christ and peace in the city, the elders of Full Faith Church of Love agreed to stop sending out the document. The elders were simply being magnanimous, nothing was retracted. A pastor’s wife, without our knowledge or consent, posted the current copy on the Internet.

Footnote 2:

Paul Cain and other prophets discredited by Mike Bickel and Others:

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel19.html

Footnote 3:

The original “Documentation of the Aberrant Practices and Teachings of Kansas City Fellowship.

http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/kcp-gruen.html

Ernie and Dee Gruen

Ernie and Dee Gruen

i read every post put on here. if you wanna talk gnoble@ku.edu

God Bless you all. Constantly question everything.

Grant Noble